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I was revisiting DBH in light of our discussion, and I found that I definitely do feel a bit more critical of his views now. But the thought also occurred to me that the only two possibilities I can see are Calvinism and universalism. My thinking is:

1) An uncreated spirit is not determined by anything outside itself, which means that 2) it must be determined either by its own nature or not at all. 3) If it isn't determined at all, then its decisions are random and thus unfree, whereas 4) if it is determined by its own nature, then it must be so forever. 5) So, an uncreated spirit that is against God must have been predestined for damnation by its own nature. 6) But if every uncreated spirit has a telos toward the perfection of being, then ultimately all spirits will be saved.

So I realized that it all comes down to the relationship between freedom and telos. My view turns out to be that the telos of at least human freedom is outside of itself, and that it may even be so for all spirits. And if no spirit has a telos toward evil, then it naturally follows that evil must be the result of a sapping force, a Nothing, twisting and hollowing and perverting all spirits. And then the goal is the annihilation of annihilation, which can only be achieved by . . . true creativity.

Anyway, I don't wish to bore you or belabor the point, but thank you for your extensive engagement on this topic, here. This has been clarifying, and I expect that it will prove to be useful somewhere down the line.

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A thought I had earlier today was about Jesus from the Cross saying, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

That insane generosity was part of what led me to believe that He is the Lord in the first place; that He could say of His murderers that they deserve forgiveness, on the grounds of ignorance. This must be the Lord, I thought. He did not hold them as guilty, despite having an absolute reason to do so. I saw that He was beyond morality or justice, in the ways we conceive of them. An entirely other order of reality.

How does that fit with humans knowing what evil they do? I have tried, and just do not understand. My intuition just calls for mercy for the sick. Who is it you see who does evil every day, who is an actually flourishing human? All I see who deny the Lord, they live in their own Hell. That justice is swift.

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